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Democrates realize they lost ground with the Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) and are trying to pass meaningless legislation like the above to get the liberals off their backs and nothing more.

Although this bill looks good on paper, we know what this means.

"You can have a gun, just as long as it doesn't look evil"

And then the deffinition of evil gets more and more precise...and we loose more and more guns, and the Second Amendment gets pushed to the back of the constitution until only LEO and Military are concerned.

I will never get the understanding of democrates...why focus on dangerous guns instead of dangerious people?

Guns don't kill people..... It’s the bullet that someone fires. Be it a 22 or a fifty cal all bullets are potently deadly. If the bad guy can buy a bullet proof vest I want bullets that will go through that vest. Remember the Hollywood shoot out.

I just purchased the five-seven and ordered three boxes of ammo. When I received the ammo, they accidently sent the evil ss192 steel core rounds. I tried to order more but supplier said it was a glitch in their computer system.

I always purchase evil black rifles. Especially the ones that liberals target for a ban.

Ever get the feeling you've been trolled? I'm sorry, but I would not go on someone else's web site and admit to a crime.

I didn't commit a crime. It was sent to me from a wholesaler unknowingly. There was no request to send it back. I didn't want a new pistol without ammo. I'm not trolling.

Let's look at USC 18 291(a)(17):

(A) The term “ammunition” means ammunition or cartridge cases, primers, bullets, or propellent powder designed for use in any firearm.

(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or (ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

(C) The term “armor piercing ammunition” does not include shotgun shot required by Federal or State environmental or game regulations for hunting purposes, a frangible projectile designed for target shooting, a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, or any other projectile or projectile core which the Attorney General finds is intended to be used for industrial purposes, including a charge used in an oil and gas well perforating device.

What you have is steel-core ammunition, which is, by definition, armor-piercing ammunition.

The distributor broke USC 18 922(a)(8) when they sent you armor-piercing ammunition. I'm amazed they didn't want it back immediately. I'm amazed they didn't call BATFE, admit a mistake, and try to fix it.

It's not illegal for you to possess it, but it is illegal for them to send it to you. That's the crime you are admitting.

I do understand what I have. When I ordered the pistol, I was concerned about the availability of the new rounds. I was expecting 196rds. I guess that I lucked out. Online private individuals are selling 50rds of 192 for about $85-100 a box, I only paid $35.

If you received ss192, I do not believe you broke any laws. ss192 is not steel core, check it with a magnet. FN has stopped selling ss192 to the pulbic. The atf classified ss192 as non armor piercing, and I do not thing that they change it.

Ok, after coming across this site and reading about the Five-seveN and its "evil" ammo, I must correct you people. You are INNCORRECT about the SS192 ammo, the SS192 has been ceased to be imported, but it IS NOT illegal, you have to do your homework. The SS190, and SS193 ammo, steel core armor peircing, and standard full metal jacket reseptively, are the illegal rounds. The SS192 ammo is labeled "training" ammo, and is a NON-expanding hollow-point that will penetrate a level IIA vest, but not a level II, IIIA, or anything better. Almost ALL law enforcement know that IIA is inefective and use a IIIA vest. Just thought I'd clear that up.

It's rediculous that the SS192 rounds are no longer being produced because of the complaining of a few anti-gun wussy liberals. Lets just ban all gun and ammunition sales and require everyone that owns any type of handgun, rifle or shotgun to turn in their weapons to the government. That would make the anti-gun liberals happy for maybe 2 weeks - that is until their friends and loved ones start to become victims of gun related crimes. Criminals would love a country wide gun ban because Criminals don't give a rip about laws, that's why they're called criminals! People that wish to take guns and specialized ammo out of the hands of law abiding citizens just don't seem to get it...It's not the gun that commits the crime, it's the person behind the gun.

I agree rodney, its the person behind the gun. all these politicians want to do is take away our right to posess firearms. i own 8 firearms. 5 handguns and 3 rifles, none of them have ever harmed or killed anyone. thats because they are mine and im not a criminal.

but im willing to give up my guns, only if the government would provide me with a police officer that would go with me werever i go, stay in my home and protect me and my family when we are sleeping at night.
that would be nice, police protection 24/7 for all law abiding citizens. at not cost to the consumer.
id go for it, wouldnt you.

i feel that FN has been developing some of the most bleeding edge techno guns to date, and should not be punished for such advanced innovations. The consumers of these terrific weapon systems from FN are the same consumers of every weapon system. as technology advances, so does the requirement to advance your own self defense regiment. This ban proposal is pathetic and is far too vague. a simple gesture to properly test ordinance before domestic sale is critical, but an outright ban after the mistake is moronic. vest technology is advancing, civilian criminal tech advances are as well, just be up to date, fund the local police properly, and simply be aware. besides, whoever shoots first and hits will win the battle, regardless of what kind of vest one may have on. i assure getting hit with .45 acp will take the fight out of you, regardless of vest penetration.

AMEN to that brother. I only own 5 firearms which is enough for me. The streets we live in today have changed so much. A person can't even walk down his own street at night without looking over his shoulder. Here in Philadelphia I carry two Glock 21 (.45 auto) almost everywhere I go. There are so many jobs being lost, times are getting hard and you never know who your going to run into these days. A person with nothing to lose defiantly shouldn't have a gun roaming the streets. Young kids will shoot you without a second thought to get in a gang or to prove a point to someone that they can kill someone. I'm not about to be a victim to these streets. I'll appose any gun ban they throw my way.

I always love seeing these gun control bills, because if criminals obeyed them we would not have to call them criminals.

Chris Rock has it right. Give everyone a gun --control the bullets.

A ban on armor piercing ammuniton is a ban on the second ammendment.
I own guns for defence. Although I have been hunting a number of times, hunting is not the reason that the second ammendment was put into the Bill of Rights. It was purposefully placed there to create a roadblock in the path to dictatorship. Our founding fathers have always considered a potential threat to our freedoms from our own government. The police are not always the defenders of all rights. Many times it's the police that wind up violating our rights(it happens all over the world). That's why we have judges and defense lawyers and internal affairs officers. I hope the day never comes when that system of judges and lawyers becomes ineffective. While I sincerely hope such a threat never appears, it is the responsibility of every citizen to ensure the enforcement of the Bill of Rights by force if necessary. If you are going to ban all ammunition that is capable of penetrating the body armor worn by the military and police, you are negating the purpose of the second amendment and the intent of it's authors.